On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Roberto Allende <rover@...> wrote:
> Kamon Ayeva escribió:
>>
>> Hello Amine and others,
>>
>> Please read the whole mail and give feedback ;)
>>
>> 1) Maybe we can vote for the 2nd instructor now.
>> We have got 2 candidates, Roberto and Daniel.
>> I am proposing that Daniel, if he is still motivated, be the one for
>> Morocco, and Roberto be "priority 1" for the next country.
>> Which in my mind means we will all work hard to kick off things and
>> start planing the next country.
>> Thinking about the next country right now makes us see potential
>> issues and hink about them when organizing the 1st country.
>>
>> Please, if you have concerns, raise them now.
>>
>
> It is ok for me.
>>
>> 2) Logo and website ?
>> I am putting it here. I have not received an answer about the website,
>> and Aida informed me they were preparing a website for the Morocan
>> event, which I responded it would be better to have a single website,
>> possibly with a section for each country.
>> I can work on the website, but it is just that I probably will not
>> have time in the coming days/weeks.
>>
>> Of course, we can have a page that simply points to each country's
>> event page, but IMO this will break the consistent marketing message
>> we need for this effort.
>>
>> Any other idea ?
>> Using a Google Site for each country with a common look & feel ?
>> Anyway this needs collaborating together so we have the same
>> information, and this still leaves open the need for a single logo.
>>
>>
>
> menttes could take care of the development and probably the hosting. Our
> alternatives would be:
> * plone
> * google
> * django

Thanks a lot for proposing your help.
Plone might be too powerful for what we want ?
I was thinking about http://sites.google.com is simple and I have
tried to use it but I don't understand how to completely customize the
theme. Also, it is not internationalized in the current version.
If someone knows how to use/tweak it to a projet's need, it could be a
good option for the 1st year while we are still experimenting things.
No hosting needed ;)

If not, something like Django might be good for the flexibility and
it's Python Powered. We'll need to use a Django extension that
provides a simple site out-of-the-box. Does this kind of thing exist ?

> Probably in that order.
>>
>> 5) Training material
>> Do everyone agree we should aim at Open Content or Creative Commons
>> style material that we could make available on the net ?
>> Also, I think we could just reuse most of what already exists with an
>> Open license, and I guess the only part we would add would be the
>> exercice and tutorial bits.
>> Anyway, I think we should make things simple !
>>
>
> A gpl one and it is translated to several languages, including french and
> spanish:
> http://diveintopython.org/

I like "Dive into Python" and would say +1.
That does not stop the instructor to do some slides, probably useful
for himself, and give them to the students.

Regards,
Kamon

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your proposals.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Nouri <daniel.nouri@...> wrote:
> "Kamon Ayeva" <kamon.ayeva@...> writes:
>
>> 3) So we all agree that Amine takes care of the 1st group in french.
>>
>> Here is a recap of what Amine has proposed. (We'll improve
>> it/re-phrase it as we go.)
>>
>> Introduction. Qu'est-ce que Python, etc...
>> Les concepts pour débuter (variables, affectation, typage
>> dynamique...) Exercices en utilisant l'interpréteur Python.
>> Les types simples (nombres, chaines, bouléens)
>> Les listes, dictionnaires
>> Les instructions (for, while, etc...)
>> Les fonctions
>> Les modules
>> L'orienté "objet"
>> Aperçu des modules standards (librairie standard de Python)
>
> I like the idea of building on the Dive into Python book.  This has the
> great advantage that students will be able to come back to this
> resource, and that things will be familiar to them should they decide to
> continue exploring Python on their own (which we hope!).
>
> The first few chapters of the book pretty much match what Amine
> proposed:
>
>  1) Installing Python
>  2) Your First Python Program
>  3) Native Datatypes
>  4) The Power Of Introspection
>  5) Objects and Object-Orientation
>  6) Exceptions and File Handling
>
> I think it makes sense to keep this hands-on all through, and have
> students work in pairs.  For that I'd propose we slide-ify the book
> chapters and leave time for people to try out the examples, and build
> upon them.  For example, for 2) we'd write our first Python program etc.
> This could happen in the first day and in the first half of the second
> day.
>
> I think that when we're through with these, the tutorials that Amine
> proposed are a good fit.  The students will hopefully be comfortable
> with the basics by then, and be able to work in a more independent
> fashion on these topics:
>
>> Tutoriel / Partie 1 : Création interactive d'un module qui permette de
>> recuperer une page web, d'en parser les balises img, d'en extraire les
>> urls des images et de les stocker dans un dossier.
>>
>> Tutoriel / Partie 2 : Installation et utilisation d'un module python
>> non standard: BeautifulSoup. Ce module permet le parsage de texte
>> xml/html, meme mal formé.
>>
>> Ce tutoriel permettra de mettre en pratique les concepts introduits
>> (utilisation de l'import, dictionnaires), d'apprendre à utiliser les
>> arguments nommés, par defaut et optionnels (pour les fonctions), et de
>> voir un cas simple d'utilisation de Python pour le web (urllib,
>> httplib, parsing XML/HTML).
>> S'il y a du temps, on jouera un peu avec PIL (Python Imaging Library),
>> comme par exemple pour mettre le filigrane du logo de l'EMI sur chaque
>> image.
>
>> 4) I propose that the other training for the 2nd group (more advanced)
>> builds on the same with a couple additional stuff such as illustrate
>> "Inheritance" in Python ?
>> - How it works ?
>> - Overriding an attribute
>> - Using super()
>> - Multiple inheritance
>> - Maybe: what you should not do ?
>
> +1
>
>
> We've also been talking about extending the tutorial sessions with a
> sprint [1] of two days.  There, we'll guide interested students towards
> working on subjects mostly independently.
>
> I've been talking with Chris McDonough, the main author behind Repoze
> [2], about topics that would make sense here.  We agreed that one of our
> main concerns should be to not overwhelm students with too much
> information.  That is, introducing the students to a system as big as
> Plone for the sprint might be a mistake.  Instead, we've been talking
> about introducing them to WSGI and its core concepts, and have them work
> on web applications.  For those who don't know, WSGI is a Python
> standard for creating web applications [3].
>
> In particular, Chris suggested to:
>
>>  - Explain the lifecycle of a WSGI request.
>>
>>  - Explain the lifecycle of a WSGI response.
>>
>>  - Introduce them to Paste and give them some code that
>>    starts a server which returns a blank page.
>>
>>  - Help them create a little program with WSGI primitives that
>>    accepts a GET request and returns a response.  Likewise with
>>    POST.

I like it.
I guess this would be for a group of students who want to join the
sprint and are interested by Python's web stuff.
Note that we might need to propose a second group and a leader for
people interested by Plone. I am okay to lead that second group if
there is no one else.
I am currently in discussion with others for such a topic, and will
come back with more precise information beginning of next week.

The idea is that we could split into 2 or 3 groups, but we will have
to organize things carefully, and plan ahead.

> If time allows, we could either end the tutorial sessions (the second
> half of the second day?) with this introduction, or if not, start off
> the sprint (after the tutorial) with WSGI.
>
> As one possible sprint topic, I'd like to propose to start a small
> project that's inspired by the idea that Luke Venediger brought up
> earlier in this list: the "Python Training Packages", which could be a
> Python/WSGI application with an interactive Python interpreter along
> with training material.  GAE would be an obvious candidate for deploying
> this.
>
> I'd love to hear people's opinions about this.

Yeah, this means the goal of this sprint topic would be to start
developing a piece of software that would be useful for everyone,
starting with some groups in Africa (and hopefully get a working
version at the end of the two days)

Let's continue the discussion based on these ideas, and we will
finalize all this next week.

-- Kamon

> I like the idea of building on the Dive into Python book.

Another idea: pick ShowMeDo videos and match them to chapters in the
book, bundle them with the course ..
  http://showmedo.com/videos/python

-- 
jean                                              . .. .... //\\\oo///\\

Hi everybody, This is for Amine:

Je trouve ta répartition très interessante, malheureusement je ne peux
pas trop rentrer ds le détail avec toi vu que je n'y connais pas
grand-chose mais je te fais confiance.

Les ordinateurs de notre centre de calcul ont pr OS windows XP mais si
on en a vraiment besoin on peut installer une distribution linux de
notre choix.

Sinon je pense qu'on devrait vraiment se rencontrer pour parler des
détails du projet, je me sens un peu perdu des fois sur le
mailing-list en anglais :) Est-ce que tu peux me donner tes
disponibilités?

Bonne journée

Le 17 octobre 2008 11:01, Amine Soulaymani <rawhead@...> a écrit :
>
> Hello,
> The section below is for Kamon and Aida's attention, in french to be fully understood:
> Bonjour Kamon et Aida,
> j'ai reflechi à la meuilleure façon d'introduire Python aux etudiants de 2eme années,
> j'ai pensé à creer avec eux un module qui permette de faire le tour de touts les concepts de base
> sans etre ennuyeux.
> bien sur au debut, un petit speech sur python, les concepts vraiment de base (les variables, un petit tour sur les listes,
> les dicos et les modules standads. comme tout en python est objet, je ferais un petit cours (ou rappel) de l'orienté objet.
> Je propose ensuite que le cours soit la creation interactive d'un module qui permette de recuperer une page web,
> d'en parser les balises img, d'en extraire les urls des images et de les stocker dans un dossier.
> cela permettra d'apprehender :
> 1- l'instruction import, et de connaitre le module urllib.
> 2 - les boucles, les listes.
> 3- installation et utilisation d'un module python non standard: BeautifulSoup. ce module permet
>    le parsage du html, meme mal formé. il permettra d'apprendre aux etudiants les arguments nommés,
>    par defauts et optionnels. on en profitera donc aussi pour faire le tour des dictionnaires.
>
> il y aura du web, de la manipulation de texte, du parsage xml/html, boucles, etc...
>
> avec les explications et les questions que les etudiants ne manqueront de poser, ce petit projet embrassera la plupart des
> concepts de base. s'il y a du temps, on jouera un peu avec PIL, comme par exemple mettre le filigrane du logo
> de l'EMI sur chaque image.
>
> Question tres importante: le cours se fera sous windows ou linux? Aida, tu as une idée? si c'est linux, quelle distrib? c'est
> important pour expliquer la partie modules externes et leur installation, ainsi que pour PIL qui est un module C.
>
> qu'en pensez vous? je suis ouvert à toute proposition autre.
> Amitiés.
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:59:13 +0200
>> From: kamon.ayeva@...
>> To: python-african-tour-discussion@...
>> Subject: Re: [Python Tour in Africa discussion] Re: Regarding Morocco
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So I guess we're ok regarding the 2 training sessions.
>>
>> But I fear, we will not be ready for organizing a sprint, since there
>> are too many unclear issues.
>>
>> On the other hand, the 3rd day hosted by the school in Rabat could be
>> used to present things like WSGI and WebOb.
>> Note that it is important that day reflects the fact that the web is
>> not the only domain where Python is strong. So we'll need participants
>> to come present other cool stuff.
>>
>> From what I have understood with the discussions I had with Aida, they
>> want like a mini-conference with 2 or 3 scheduled presentations. While
>> this is fine, it requires more organization than an informal
>> developers meeting day.
>> So I suggest that they take charge of the organization and they are
>> free on the format and topics and how they find speakers, knowing that
>> our volunteer(s) would make a presentation too.
>>
>> More on the sponsoring issue later.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kamon
>>
>>
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2ème année Génie Informatique
Ecole Mohammadia d'Ingénieurs
www.maroc-inge.com

Hello,

This is a great plan, Amine. It makes the training really interesting
for newbies.
So I suggest going ahead with that, and we could standardize/replicate
it for other trainings.

Regards,
Kamon

2008/10/17 Amine Soulaymani <rawhead@...>:
>
> Hello,
> The section below is for Kamon and Aida's attention, in french to be fully understood:
> Bonjour Kamon et Aida,
> j'ai reflechi à la meuilleure façon d'introduire Python aux etudiants de 2eme années,
> j'ai pensé à creer avec eux un module qui permette de faire le tour de touts les concepts de base
> sans etre ennuyeux.
> bien sur au debut, un petit speech sur python, les concepts vraiment de base (les variables, un petit tour sur les listes,
> les dicos et les modules standads. comme tout en python est objet, je ferais un petit cours (ou rappel) de l'orienté objet.
> Je propose ensuite que le cours soit la creation interactive d'un module qui permette de recuperer une page web,
> d'en parser les balises img, d'en extraire les urls des images et de les stocker dans un dossier.
> cela permettra d'apprehender :
> 1- l'instruction import, et de connaitre le module urllib.
> 2 - les boucles, les listes.
> 3- installation et utilisation d'un module python non standard: BeautifulSoup. ce module permet
>    le parsage du html, meme mal formé. il permettra d'apprendre aux etudiants les arguments nommés,
>    par defauts et optionnels. on en profitera donc aussi pour faire le tour des dictionnaires.
>
> il y aura du web, de la manipulation de texte, du parsage xml/html, boucles, etc...
>
> avec les explications et les questions que les etudiants ne manqueront de poser, ce petit projet embrassera la plupart des
> concepts de base. s'il y a du temps, on jouera un peu avec PIL, comme par exemple mettre le filigrane du logo
> de l'EMI sur chaque image.
>
> Question tres importante: le cours se fera sous windows ou linux? Aida, tu as une idée? si c'est linux, quelle distrib? c'est
> important pour expliquer la partie modules externes et leur installation, ainsi que pour PIL qui est un module C.
>
> qu'en pensez vous? je suis ouvert à toute proposition autre.
> Amitiés.
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:59:13 +0200
>> From: kamon.ayeva@...
>> To: python-african-tour-discussion@...
>> Subject: Re: [Python Tour in Africa discussion] Re: Regarding Morocco
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So I guess we're ok regarding the 2 training sessions.
>>
>> But I fear, we will not be ready for organizing a sprint, since there
>> are too many unclear issues.
>>
>> On the other hand, the 3rd day hosted by the school in Rabat could be
>> used to present things like WSGI and WebOb.
>> Note that it is important that day reflects the fact that the web is
>> not the only domain where Python is strong. So we'll need participants
>> to come present other cool stuff.
>>
>> From what I have understood with the discussions I had with Aida, they
>> want like a mini-conference with 2 or 3 scheduled presentations. While
>> this is fine, it requires more organization than an informal
>> developers meeting day.
>> So I suggest that they take charge of the organization and they are
>> free on the format and topics and how they find speakers, knowing that
>> our volunteer(s) would make a presentation too.
>>
>> More on the sponsoring issue later.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kamon
>>
>>
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