• dotNeighborhood Discussions

last modified August 7, 2012 by tomlowenhaupt

­­­­­­­Meeting notes, related links, and discussions in support of the dotNeighborhoods initiative are presented here.


 (Commons Photo courtesy of sporkwrapper.)

Other "Neighborhood" Events 
  • Internet and Participation - May 14 and 15, 9:00 - 10:30 PM.Teleconference from Torino. See details.
  • Global Lessons Exchange - Inclusive Social Media Evaluation Report - May 16, 10:30 AM. See details
Oversight & Business Model

Unresolved questions relate to structure, oversight and business model for the dotNeighborhoods. 

Several potential Trustee organizations that have been mentioned for oversight of the dotNeighborhood names:

    • Neighborhood Preservation Center
    • Municipal Art Society
    • NYPIRG
    • NYC Economic Development Corporation
    • Newspaper or other media entity 
    • Newly Organized Purpose Based Entity 
    • Queens Civic Conference

Business Model - The business model that will sustain these many dotNeighborhoods is in the early stages of discussion. See the discussion here











































dotNeighborhood Meeting Notes

  • Neighborhood Preservation Center - May 17, 2012
  • Neighborhood Preservation Center - October 27, 2010
    • Speakers
      •  Richard Knipel, Wikimedia NY
      • Jack Eichenbaum, Queens Historian.
    • Meeting report.
  • Neighborhood Preservation Center, March 23, 2010
  • Neighborhood Preservation Center, January 26, 2010
    • Agenda 
      • Update on status of .nyc and the dotNeighborhoods
      • Hunter College Urban Affairs report
      • Proposed governance structure 
    • Meeting report.
  • Neighborhood Preservation Center, June 24, 2009 - Seven "Hoodies" met and discussed options for developing the dotNeighborhoods.
    • Attending
      • Hannah Kopelman, Internet Society, Connecting.nyc, Washington Heights resident
      • Stephen Tortora-Lee, Neighborbee.org, Brooklyn Heights
      • Jason Liszkiewicz, Ditmars Park
      • Joly MacFie - Secretary, Internet Society-NY
      • Robert Pollard, Manhattan Valley
      • Thomas Lowenhaupt, Connecting.nyc Inc., convener, Jackson Heights
      • Eugene Atkins, East Elmhurst
    • A robust discussion was held with the following points made:
      • Content
        • Block association names should be set aside and these associations provided with a place on the dotNeighborhood sites. Additionally, they should be encouraged to support this effort, as per Robert Pollard.
        • dotNeighborhoods should provide readily accessible links to existing local online sites.
        • Games were suggested as a method for encouraging engagement. Jason pointed to the  Redistricting Game he'd seen on the Games for Change website. He also noted that the Gotham Gazette offered several civic games. Tom Lowenhaupt said he saw games as the most viable way to encourage civic engagement by the masses. 
        • Jason referred us to WiserEarth.org, as a resource for local content. In addition to local activities we might find local blogs to present on the various dotNeighborhoods.
        • Jason also spoke of a layered GIS map as an interface, i.e.,  dotNeighborhoods.nyc and perhaps nyc.nyc. This suggestion brings to mind that interconnectedness of the various name-sets, for example, the dotNeighborhood names are intimately related to the streets name-set.
      • Financial
        • Robert suggested that fees raised by name sales be used to support "less affluent" dotNeighborhoods.
        • We also discussed charging different prices for different names, for example, lakewood.nyc would likely not be as profitable a venture as soho.nyc. In a similar vein,Steve suggested that a "tax" be imposed on sites with resulting revenue supporting smaller and less affluent dotNeighborhoods. Tom offered that this is the model used by Major League Baseball where the New York Yankees share revenue with smaller market teams.
        • Steve suggested we look into the use of complementary currencies in dotNeighborhoods.
      • Robert noted that training was vitally important. Dur the ensuing conversation Tom noted that the easier the "publisher's interface" the less technical training that would be required. Indeed, if it was intuitive, "publishers" would demonstrate their qualification by other than technical skills - content, connectedness, inventiveness, etc. in creating neighborhood collaborations.
      • Future Steps
        • JZ suggested that a coalition be formed to present the case for dotNeighborhoods to the city administration. He said the Open311 initiative had used the method with success.
        • Robert stated that any such neighborhood coalition be part of the ongoing dotNeighborhoods development process.
        • JZ suggested that we do an online meeting of dotNeighborhood supporters.
        • Steve suggested that we use Facebook to get the word out. Tom mentioned that  Connecting.nyc Inc. had a Facebook presence, that needs work. When putting these notes together it was noted that our Facebook page's 115 members were not notified of the meeting. More focus is needed. Joly mentioned a recent Wired article about Facebook to which he will pass on a link.
        • Who would like to be our Facebook editor?
        • Toward the end of the meeting Tom spoke of the difficulty he initially encountered when advocating for .nyc, noting the difficulty of getting an existing organization to take up a new cause. This led to the creation of Connecting.nyc Inc. Perhaps that is a lesson for the dotNeighborhoods initiative. The consensus at the meeting's conclusion was that the coalition suggested by JZ and Robert might be the next big step.
      • Other
        • In response to an inquiry as to CNI's status vis a vis city government, Joly pointed to the October 2008 video of the City Council hearing during which Michael Palage, a valued Connecting.nyc Inc. adviser, made the case to City Council Member Bill De Blasio that, in addition to other benefits, a non-city operation of the TLD provided a cushion in liability matters.
        • Hannah noted that in Washington DC, the FTC was considering oversight of blog's backing and intent in areas such as product reviews, be more transparent. This might have relevance with dotNeighborhoods and is worth following.
  • Neighborhood Preservation Center, May 6, 2009 - Eight civicly engaged people interested in the future of New York City neighborhoods gathered at the Neighborhood Preservation Center on Wednesday evening May 6, 2009 to discuss the development of Neighborhood Names. The following are meeting notes.
    • Attending
      • Hannah Kopelman, Internet Society and Connecting.nyc, Washington Heights resident
      • Jennifer Harmon
      • Joe Pompeo, New York Observer / NYFI
      • Joly MacFie - Secretary, Internet Society-NY
      • Matt Gill, Operator of Virtual Norwood, Flushing resident
      • Phil Koningsberg, Community Board 7 Queens, Bay Terrace Community Alliance (civic association), Friends of Fort Totten Parks, Bay Terrace resident
      • Scott Albritton, Astoria resident
      • Thomas Lowenhaupt, Connecting.nyc Inc., convener, Jackson Heights resident
    • Effort name - Neighborhood Media Center seemed inappropriate descriptive for the effort. Virtual and Portal were discussed. Joly suggested dotNYC Neighborhoods.
    • Technology
      • Matt mentioned two technologies he uses for his communities and other Net projects - Invision Power Boards and Virtual B__. 
      • Use of blog software, e.g., Wordpress, was another possibility.
      • With 300+ implementations, Tom suggested a more centralized tech structure might enable less technically savvy to operate dotNYC Neighborhoods.
    • Finding Stuff (including ideas)
      • Matt suggested that having dotNYC Neighborhoods would, because of the nature of the Google algorithm (that determines what lands at the top of a search), local information would be placed high in searches.
      • Scott stated that the uniqueness of things, events, and people in, e.g., Astoria, would make them easier to find.
      • Hannah suggested that dotNeighborhoods would present information not typically available in search engines, e.g., The non-Neted bodega on 178th  STreet is the place to buy batteries at 3 AM.
    • Financing
      • Ideally all the names will be active on START DAY. But we could set the names aside and wait until general name sales provides suitable capital to initiate a demo and then full roll out.
      • A civic organization such as the Neighborhood Preservation Center might be selected as trustee with the responsibility to assign names and see they are operated within a contractual scope. Perhaps a grant could fund the start-up of such an operation.
      • A major media player might be assigned all the names and operate them within the scope of a contract with a neighborhood names trustee.
      • Some sites will be profitable, e.g., soho.nyc. Others perhaps not so, lakewood.nyc. Advertising was suggested as a source for operating funds for the sites. Perhaps a revenue sharing agreement between dotNeighborhood sites, similar to the arrangement in Major League Baseball, might enable all to function.
    • Other
      • Scott expressed doubts about Tom's statement as to the global desirability of the .nyc TLD as a trustworthy place for doing business.
      • Tom stated that neighborhoods were but one part of the overall names allocation process and he hoped an entity would assume responsibility for different name groupings under CnI's Cyber Land-Use Plan.
      • Phil mentioned the prospect of two neighborhoods sharing the same name. Joly said a disambiguation page, as is commonly used by Wikipedia, might remedy this problem.
      • Hannah suggested a demo effort.
      • Statistic: 300 / 8,000,000 = 23,000 residents per average neighborhood.
  • Queens Civic Congress, April 15, 2009 - We met with the Queens Civic Congress, representing more than 100 civic and other community organizations throughout the borough of Queens, and outlined opportunities that will arrive with the availability of dotNeighborhoods. During the Q & A we were asked if Connecting.nyc Inc. would assist civic organizations with establishing an online presence. We responded that we are an educational organization and it is our charter to help civic organizations and dotNeighborhoods learn to effectively use the Internet to foster their goals. We explained that under the governance structure we've proposed, there  would be sufficient funds to help civic organizations establish an effective online presence.

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